This episode of the HR Happy Hour Show has Paul Rubenstein, Chief People Officer at Visier, as a guest. The discussion centers on new ways of thinking about workforce planning, learning agility and reskilling, and avoiding the headcount trap, when planning for the people and skills needed for the future. As Paul mentions, headcount driven workforce planning needs to be reimagined to meet the dynamic and evolving needs of the business, and to help organizations prepare to address skills and capability gaps. They also talk about the importance of learning agility – both from an organizational and HR viewpoint, as well as with individual learners. The discussion with Paul starts at around the 3:30 minute mark of the show and the workforce planning discussion begins at around 9:20 minutes.